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Што вика чичко Alan Moore за чичко Frank Miller:

Well, Frank Miller is someone whose work I’ve barely looked at for the past twenty years. I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided. I think that there has probably been a rather unpleasant sensibility apparent in Frank Miller’s work for quite a long time. Since I don’t have anything to do with the comics industry, I don’t have anything to do with the people in it. I heard about the latest outpourings regarding the Occupy movement. It’s about what I’d expect from him. It’s always seemed to me that the majority of the comics field, if you had to place them politically, you’d have to say centre-right. That would be as far towards the liberal end of the spectrum as they would go. I’ve never been in any way, I don’t even know if I’m centre-left. I’ve been outspoken about that since the beginning of my career. So yes I think it would be fair to say that me and Frank Miller have diametrically opposing views upon all sorts of things, but certainly upon the Occupy movement.

As far as I can see, the Occupy movement is just ordinary people reclaiming rights which should always have been theirs. I can’t think of any reason why as a population we should be expected to stand by and see a gross reduction in the living standards of ourselves and our kids, possibly for generations, when the people who have got us into this have been rewarded for it; they’ve certainly not been punished in any way because they’re too big to fail. I think that the Occupy movement is, in one sense, the public saying that they should be the ones to decide who’s too big to fail. It’s a completely justified howl of moral outrage and it seems to be handled in a very intelligent, non-violent way, which is probably another reason why Frank Miller would be less than pleased with it. I’m sure if it had been a bunch of young, sociopathic vigilantes with Batman make-up on their faces, he’d be more in favour of it. We would definitely have to agree to differ on that one.

Everything. I believe that what’s needed is a radical solution, by which I mean from the roots upwards. Our entire political thinking seems to me to be based upon medieval precepts. These things, they didn’t work particularly well five or six hundred years ago. Their slightly modified forms are not adequate at all for the rapidly changing territory of the 21st Century.

“We need to overhaul the way that we think about money, we need to overhaul the way that we think about who’s running the show. As an anarchist, I believe that power should be given to the people, to the people whose lives this is actually affecting. It’s no longer good enough to have a group of people who are controlling our destinies. The only reason they have the power is because they control the currency. They have no moral authority and, indeed, they show the opposite of moral authority.

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Well, Frank Miller is someone whose work I’ve barely looked at for the past twenty years. I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided....................не е ова тро контадикторно или само јас сум....Останатото е класика не сум ориентиран према никој ама имам свое мислење и видиш чудо се разликува од тоа на Милер.....

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Не е контрадикторно, ги ѕирнал само 300 и Син Сити (најпознатите), со другото не се замарал :D

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Meskov, ziti se!

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Жими све...
Пак ќе прашам не е така :?:

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Druze Meshkov,

me chudish.

Da ne se raspravame politika na ovaj forum (PM mozi ama poarno ne) ama ne, ne e taka. Osven ako ne si politicki oboen kako da recime....Miller? Whoops. Plus i taka da misli poedinec (Miller) nacinot na koj se izrazuva ne go dolikuva. Se ima pokazano deka frustrirani "artisti" zabegvat vo reakcionizam i fashizam ama posle uspeshna karijera kako Miller - stvarno nemozam da sfatam. Kaj nasobra coeko tolku omraza?

Poentata mi e za Miller a za Occupy dvizenjeto ke se vidi doprva. Vo koren e ispravno, po moe. Edino koj go finansira e prasanje. A deka pirsovani mrzlivi hipici mu teknalo da se bunat radi da se bunat....molam look again.

so pocit,

Zagrizen ucesnik vo svetskata ekonomija.

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Јас сум крив и лошо се изразувам, значи вака друже јас го почитувам ставот, критиката и рационалното мислење, споредбите не ги коментирам (ама не ги сваќам ни трагично).
Инаку тоа што артист дава јасен политички став е малку деликатно прашање (некој го смета како себе промовирање ради лошите стрипови ама може да се гледа и малку поинаку ако на пример ко мене ти се допаѓа последниот негов стрип) така да тоа тро релативно е.
Инаку мојот лиен став према ова прашање е дека ова “движење„ е сосема непотребно, ирационално и беспредметно.
Не сум политички обоен, ама имам некои свој став и се држам до него, иако повеќе “контрирањето„ ми е во насока да избуткам една моја теза дека целиот проблем доаѓа од нас самите и дека најлесно е да излезеш на улица и да мрчиш дека ти е тешко (а ништо да не преземеш да го надминеш тој проблем)
Иако знам за сите поголеми револуции (Прашка пролет, Хипи движењето итн) и ги почитувам, своевремно у СК ко имав долга коса свирев по гаражи, пишував текстови и слушав метал (слушам и ден денес) а се со цел да го искажам мојот револт кон конформистичкиот начин на живот, лажниот морал и лажаната етика која за жал ден денес ја има кај нас, арно ама животот ме натера да се подсредам малку, завршам факултет и се стаблизирам со нормална работа (иако во срцето сум сеуште бунтовник)
Значи го бранам и почитувам ставот и љубовта према сопствената земја и не гледам никаков фашизоиден став во неговиот тро посуров зтил на израз.
Е да од друга страна па ептен го поштуем Милер како автор.

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Se razbira so godinite, saka-nejki, coek se konformira i (zboram i za mene) bas idejata deka mozis da izgubis se sto stvoril, go doveduva covek da zapazuva to sto vredi vo svojata neposredna blizina. Ama licno nemozam da gledam umetnik koj podrzuva pendrak sistem ne vrven esteticar, so saka neka e. I jas mu se divam na estetikata na voeno oruzje ama so namerata i namenata ne se slozvam. Edno e ljubov za svojata zemja a drugo e podrzuvanje na sistem kade sto povekje od polovina narod na istata zemja e pod granica na oficijalna siromastija. Drzavata e narodo.

Ako imas sho da izgubish - ne e lesno da mrcis na ulica (iako toa e gjo dadeno pravo) koga te prskat so pepperspray i apsat kako terorist. Politicka kontra e sekogas potrebna kako korekcija na bilo koj sistem. so kontra vo amerika? I republikanci i demokrati se finansirani od isti lugje.



Respekt za replikata a stavovi kako i se drugo se podlozni na promena. Nekoj negde rece - potrebni se okolu 20 godini, na covek politickiot stav da mu se smeni od levicarski vo desnicarski ili obratno a voopsto da ne se pomrdnal od mesto vo mislenjeto.

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Се разбираме друже и мене ми е мило за здравата и издржана дебата.

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Abe nie ke izlezime na kraj :)

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И тоа што викаш. :D

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+2 Dobro srocheno druze Nesomai. :)

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